Hallo,
ich möchte gerne meine itunes files auf eine andere HD verlegen, aber das verschieben per finder und neu in itunes zuweisen funktioniert nicht. itunes/einstellungen/erweitert/speicherort des .../neu zuweisen weist in der "iTunes Music Library.xml" alle Titel den veränderten Speicherort zu (so sagt BBEdit), aber itunes itselfe findet nichts.
Was mache ich falsch?
LG:A

Mit dem Speicherort sagst du iTunes nur, wohin die zukünftigen Files gespeichert werden sollen.
Wenn du die Daten von der anderen HD in iTunes verwenden willst musst du folgendermassen vorgehen:
Daten auf die andere HD kopieren.
Einstellungen... Erweitert... "Beim hinzufügen kopieren" HÄKCHEN ENTFERNEN!
Danach kannst du "zur Bibliothek hinzufügen " aus " Ablage" verwenden.

Au weia, dieses Thema mal wieder Das hat mir schon schlaflose Nächte bereitet

Ich habe es inzwischen folgendermaßen gelöst: den kompletten Ordner ~/Musik/iTunes auf eine andere Platte kopieren/verschieben, statt dieses Ordners einen Alias von diesem Ordner auf der anderen Platte dort ablegen. Jetzt iTunes starten.

Wenn alles paßt, dann sollte iTunes nun laufen wie zuvor. Wenn iTunes meckert, daß die Datei(en) geschützt wären, dann muß man ein bissl an den Zugriffsrechten rumfummeln, daszu gab es mal einen längeren Thread hier.

Ursprünglich war meine Idee, daß iTunes überhaupt nicht mitbekommt wo die Bibiliothek liegt. Deswegen der Alias. Wenn man aber in die Einstellungen von iTunes reinkuckt bekommt man einen kleinen Schock: dort steht als Ort der Bibliothek der Ordner auf der anderen Platte drin. Eigentlich das was man nicht wollte - oder besser gesagt: was ich nicht wollte. Der zweite Schock kamm für mich, als ich in die xml-Datei reinkuckte: die Pfade dort weisen auch auf die externe Platte. Inzwischen bin ich wieder ein wenig beruhigt, weil ich festgestellt habe, daß iTunes diese Datei immer komplett neu schreibt, wenn man die Bibliothek verschiebt. Ein ungutes Gefühl bleibt trotzdem.

Einzig ein Punkt bleibt, der recht ärgerlich ist: ist die Platte nicht gemountet und iTunes startet (z.B. unbeabsichtigt, weil man eine mp3-Datei angeklickt hat), dann meckert iTunes, daß es die Bibliothek nicht finden könne, beendet sich und - das verstehe ich nicht so ganz - danach ist der Alias im Eimer. Also wenn man danach die Platte einschaltet findet iTunes die Bib trotzdem nicht. Erst wenn ich den Alias wegwerfe und einen neuen erstelle läuft es wieder wie gehabt.

Insgesamt habe ich so den Eindruck, daß man bei iTunes vergessen hat den Fall zu berücksichtigen, daß die Bibliothek auf einer Wechselplatte liegt.

Danke für eure schnellen Tips!
pele
das mit dem Häckchen entfernen hat geklappt, itune hat den neuen Speicherplatz gefunden, hatte dann aber die Titel doppelt drinn. Habe dann in itunes alle titel gelöscht und die xml liste von meinem von system angelegten user auch auf die andere partition verschoben. Dann mit Import diese xml liste importiert. Die Werungen sind weg, und noch einige unwichtige infos, was mir egal ist. Die Titel, Interpreten und Alben sind OK. Und mehr ist mir nicht wichtig.

Rantaplan
Hatte den Ordner Musik aus dem User komplett gelöscht, itunes hat beim start frech wieder eine angelegt, und die Xml liste vion meiner itunes Bibliothek liegt in diesem Ordner.
Auch nicht das was ich wirklich will. Aber die "Feindaten" liegen zumindest auf der anderen HD.

Habe den fimmel System und Daten auf verschieden HDs, oder zumindest verschiedenen partitions haben zu wollen.

Grüsse euch.
Achim

Das dürfte der von Rantanplan gemeinte Thread sein.

Ich hatte mir mal folgenden Artikel kopiert, der zwar etwas weitergehend ist, aber auch die Frage nach dem Speicherort beantwortet, sowohl für iTunes, als auch für iPhoto:

How To Share an iTunes Library And/Or an iPhoto Library Between Multiple Users On The Same System

by Paul Withey

Both iTunes and iPhoto rely on a Library file and a number of data files to operate. iPhoto keeps all its data files in a single folder, but iTunes has a separate Library file, and the location of the audio files can be specified by the user. When initially started both applications default to using the users home directory. This makes sharing files/folders in these default locations impossible since OS X prevents users from accessing the contents of another's home directory.

By re-locating the required files/folders outside of a home directory and making use of folder and file aliases, you can compel both applications to allow multiple users on the same system to share a common setup. [dec 6 '02]
 

Share iTunes Among Users

iTunes makes use of a database file named "iTunes Music Library" or "iTunes Music Library (2)" or "iTunes 3 Music Library" (depending on which version you are running, respectively: iTunes 1.x, iTunes 2.x, or iTunes 3.x) to list all the songs which it is aware of, and various other infomation including the contents and configurations of any playlists you have created. Additionally, there are the audio files themselves. Files ripped by iTunes will be stored in the location specified in the Advanced Preferences pane of the application.

In order to share both the database library file and the folder containing sound files each must be located outside of a users home directory. (It is possible to run iTunes on a shared store of audio files and with each user having their own library file but this document assumes you want to share both the library file and the audio files.) It's easier to set this up before adding any tracks, but where appropriate I have detailed the steps required to consolidate existing users Libraries.

Because this method will involve the disgarding of one or more users' library database files it is worthwhile to update all your MP3s' ID3 tag infomation before undertaking the consolidation. This will ensure that any manual changes to the library data will be available to the "master" copy of the library database file you will be sharing. You can do this by selecting all the tracks in the library view of iTunes and clicking "Convert ID3 Tag" under the Advanced menu and select the highest ID3 Tag version available. iTunes will then run through the tracks and update them.

If any of the system's users have yet to run iTunes, have them log in and do so now. This will create the required files where iTunes expects them and will make it easier to identify the correct locations in which to place the aliases we will create later.

If you are consolidating several users you will use one of the users infomation as the basis of the Library file we shall construct (it may make sense to use either the user who has the most tracks or the most playlists, but this is not required). Please note that in these instructions, all files/folders are COPIED over to locations not MOVED. This allows you to backout of things if you have problems. Do not delete the original files/folders until you are 100% happy with the final set up.

1. If you want to keep all the playlists of the current user then use the iTunes File > Export playlist command to create a text file for each of the playlists so they can be rebuilt if required. Store these temporary files in a location outside of the users home directory since it's possible they will need to be read by another user during the construction of the shared library.

2. Locate the "iTunes" folder for the user. For identification purposes, this folder contains the library file—which for v3.x is called "iTunes 3 Music Library"—and a folder named "iTunes Music". It may be located in the "username" > Documents folder, but most probably it is in the "username" > Music folder. Its location will depend on the options you have under iTunes preferences or which version of iTunes you have upgraded from. Copy this "iTunes" folder to Users > Shared. This will be the "seed" library to which all other infomation will be added as required.

3. If you wish to maintain separate locations for your MP3s (if, for example, you would prefer to be able to audition MP3s under iTunes and then add them to your MP3 store at a later date should you decide to keep them), then uncheck the "Copy files to iTunes Music folder when adding to library" option in the Advanced Preference panel.

4. Rename the "iTunes" folder, which you located in step 2 above, to "iTunes-old" or some such.

5. Make sure any other user(s) has read/write access to Users > Shared> iTunes (which you can set under Permissions in its Get Info window). Also grant them the same access to all folders and files contained within.

6. Create an alias of the Users > Shared > iTunes folder and place it in the same location as the "iTunes" folder you renamed in step 4.

7. Remove the " alias" from the name, remembering to remove the space before the word "alias".

8. Start iTunes. Check that all the songs are still listed OK and not orphaned by the move.

9. Go to the Advanced Preferences and make your Music folder Users > Shared > iTunes> iTunes Music.

If all is correct the first user will be running off the iTunes files located in the Users > Shared > iTunes folder. Check out the Library view of iTunes to evaluate the integrity of the tracks and playlists.

For each other user repeating Step 1 and Steps 3 through 9 above. After the change, each user should be running off the same library file and audio files as used by the first user, however their own tracks and playlists may not even exist yet.

Now, copy all the MP3s that the additional users have stored in their original "iTunes Music" folder over to Users > Shared > iTunes > iTunes Music. Then...

1. Click on the File > Add to Library command in iTunes and point it to Users > Shared> iTunes > iTunes Music. iTunes will then scan the folder for any new audio files it finds at the location, reading the ID3 tags of the MP3s to update the Share library file.

2. Click on the File > Import Playlist command and select each of the text/xml files you created in step 1 of the consolidation instructions for any missing playlists to recreate them. If you are not running version 3 or higher of iTunes then this import option will not be available, however at www.malcolmadams.com/itunes/ is a script named "Import Playlist" which can achieve the same effect.

When you are completely happy you can delete each of the old folders and MP3s from the each users home directory. It may be a good idea to move them to trash, restart iTunes, and see if all is all right, then empty the trash.

The section below outlines further steps to take
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Share iPhoto Among Users

iPhoto is a lot easier to set up because the library file and all the picture files are located in the same folder, aptly named "iPhoto Library", which can be found in "username" > Pictures. The idea here also is to move this folder out of the home directory and then create an alias pointing to the new location for each user.

For the first user:

1. Locate a users folder named "iPhoto Library" which will probabaly be found in "username" > Pictures. Copy this to Users > Shared.

2. Rename the "iPhoto Library" folder in "username" > Pictures to "iPhoto Library-old" (this is so you can always go back to the normal set up if things go wrong or after you are happy with the set up).

3. Create an alias of the "iPhoto Library" folder you created in Users > Shared.

4. Move the alias to "username" > Pictures and remove the " alias" from its name (remember to remove the space before the word alias).

5. Ensure the user has read/write permission "iPhoto Library" located in Users > Shared (which you can set under Permissions in its Get Info window). Also grant them the same access to all folders and files contained within. Now restart iPhoto and ensure all is OK.

For additional users:

6. Start iPhoto.

7. Select each photo album and use the File > Export command. From the File Export tab select Full-size images and which ever file names you wish. Confirm that all required images have been exported.

8. Stop iPhoto.

Repeat steps 2 through 5 so each additional user will be running off the "iPhoto Library" located in users > Shared.

9. Start iPhoto and confirm they are running from the shared library.

9. Now, import other users' photos into the new shared library by using the File > Import command for all the folders created using step 7.

When you are happy you can delete the old iPhoto library folder located in each user > Pictures folder.

It should be noted that I have used Users > Shared as the "master" location for both applications. This was a personal choice at the time and is in no way mandatory; several people make use of the Music and Picture folders located at the root of their hard drives and I have subsequently moved our libraries to a completely different pair of hard drives but the principle of using an alias and making sure that all users have the required access is the same. There maybe other methods but this approach works fine for the two users we have on our system.
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Addenda: Sharing iTunes Among Multiple Users in OS X

[Thanks to Clifford Goodman] Because Unix has very strict security rules to manage multiple users, you have to be sure settings are correct in order to allow users to "cross over" security boundaries that are off limits by default.

Step 1 - Move iTunes folder to /Users/Shared Documents (or whichever folder you used in the inital step in the section above).
Step 2 - Create a shortcut for the iTunes folder, copy it to the Music folder of the other users' Music folders in their home directory. Change the name of the alias back to "iTunes".
Step 3 - Set permissions for the Shared iTunes folder as well as the shortcuts for each user. This involves a little bit of Unix command line work using the Terminal application, detailed below. The Get Info option in Finder just doesn't give you access to all of the settings you will have to change.

Assign Users and Groups to the users' folders
Giving users access to the music folder and the iTunes shortcut and shared folder is the key to sharing iTunes. First step is to be sure the user's home directory music folder is "owned" by the user.

View current user/group info:

[Cliffords-Computer:~] cliff% sudo ls -l /Users/kali/Music
total 24
-rw-rw-rw- 1 root unknown 0 Nov 20 15:08 iTunes

sudo is the "super user" command that lets you modify other users settings. ls -l is the command to display permissions information for the file or directory you specify. You can type the pathname by hand, or simply drag the folder or file from a Finder window into the terminal window.

In this example of the result of the ls -l command, the user is root, the group is unknown. This prevented the user "kali" from accessing the iTunes shortcut, even though it was in her home directory.

Change User and Group:

Specifying who (which User and which Group) has access is a key step in sharing iTunes, and can't be done from the Finder.

[Cliffords-Computer:~] cliff% sudo chown -R kali:staff /Users/kali/Music

chown -R is the command to change the user and group. The user and group are separated by a colon.

Repeat these steps for the original iTunes folder now in the /Users/Shared Documents folder.

Change permissions on the shortcut folder

Now that you are certain the User and Group is set correctly, you will want to change the file permissions for the user and group, if they aren't already correct.

View existing permissions:

[Cliffords-Computer:~] cliff% sudo ls -l /Users/kali/Music
total 24
-rw------- 1 kali staff 0 Nov 20 15:08 iTunes

Change existing permissions:

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[Cliffords-Computer:~] cliff% sudo chmod ugo=rw /Users/kali/Music/

Permissions will now look like this -rw-rw-rw-. Repeat this step for the shared iTunes folder in /Users/Shared Documents.

chmod is the command to change permissions for the user, group and others. User and Group has already been set, now we define what they can and can't do. You can specify which settings you want to change, (u) user, (g) group and/or (o) other. Follow this with an equal sign, then the privileges you want to assign, such as r (read) w (write) and x (execute). Type the pathname, or drag the file or folder from the Finder window to fill it in for you. You can set permissions differently for each entity. The format would look like this: "chmod u=rw,g=r,o=" to give the user read/write privileges, the group read only privileges and others no privileges.

Paul Withey
paulwithey@mac.com

Packe ein Alias von deinem ausgelagerten iTunes-Ordner in das Verzeichnis ~/Musik . iTunes erwartet dort ganz einfach einen solchen Ordner, egal wo sich die Bibliothek befindet. Ist dort keiner, wird wie von dir beschrieben, einer angelegt.
Lese bitte den o.g. Thread, da steht alles ausführlich drin

Naja, warum einfach wenn auch komplizert geht.
Irgendwie ist dieses Thema in der sonst sehr schönen Software nicht wirklich gelöst worden.
Gibt jedoch schlimmeres.

Achim

Wenn du alle Daten auf der 2. Festplatte hast, kannst du jederzeit die komplette Liste in iTunes löschen. ALLERDINGS NUR DIE LISTE LÖSCHEN!! UND NICHT DIE DATEIN IN DEN PAPIERKORB LEGEN LASSEN!!! Aber dafür gibts ja Gottseidank den Warnhinweis.
Ganz elegant löst man die Sache, indem man das Dokument "iTunes Library" in den Papierkorb verschiebt (man muss in ja nicht gleich ausleeren). Dann ist iTunes leer. Wenn du dann "zur Bibliothek hinzufügen" durchführst, kannst du genau den Ort, bzw. den Speicherplatz anwählen, auf den iTunes dann zugreifen soll. Sinnvollerweise solltest du in den gleichen Ordner "hineinrippen", was du mit "Speichort" unter "Erweitert" in den Einstellungen von iTunes vorgeben kannst.
Tip am Rande:
Wenn du deine Musikdaten auf CD oder DVD sichern willst, solltest du dir entsprechend grosse Ordner anlegen. Sind diese Ordner dann voll (700 Mb oder 4 Gigabyte ) kannst du neue Ordner anlegen, und iTunes veranlassen künftig in die neuen hinein zu schreiben.

pele
es geht ja eben NICHT um neurippen, und danke mit dem Tip vom Sichern, ich sichere jedoch lieber auf eine grosse HD, schön langsam mit 5400 drehend und schön kühl bleibend. So was hält länger als ich die daten brauche, na ja 5 Jahre, aber das ist ok.